
POY vs. MOP
I’ve always heard that the Maxwell Award winner is often times the Heisman Trophy winner; therefore the theory is that the former is a predictor of the latter since the presentation of each award is seperated by merely a day and (I think) Heisman ballots have already been cast and counted by the time the Maxwell is awarded (confirmed – “The deadline for receipt of the (Heisman) ballots is 5:00 p.m., Wednesday, December 10, 2008.“). There’s a lot of punctuation at the end of that sentence, some of which may be wrong…anywho, let’s test this theory.
The Maxwell Football Club awarded their first Maxwell Award in 1937 and defines it as the award given to college football’s player of the year. The Downtown Athletic Club defines their award as one given to the most outstanding college football player and awarded their first Heisman Trophy in 1935.
Last night, Tim Tebow of Florida was awarded his second straight Maxwell Award. And tomorrow (Saturday), Tebow will be joining Sam Bradford of Oklahoma and Colt McCoy of Texas as the three invitees to the Downtown Athletic Club for presentation of the Heisman Memorial Trophy.
Hmmm; “player of the year” and “most outstanding player” should be one in the same, right? As I always say, when you don’t know enough information to make something up that’s beleivable to somebody that may or may not know any better, check the facts. Since there’s 70 years of overlap between the two awards, there’s plenty of data. Here’s the results:
Maxwell Winner = Heisman Winner:
34 / 70 = 48.6%
Maxwell Winner = Heisman Runner-up:
13 / 70 = 18.6%
Here’s the last 20 years of each award:
| MAXWELL AWARD | HEISMAN MEMORIAL TROPHY | |||
| Year | Winner | Year | Winner | Runner-Up |
| 1988 | Barry Sanders | 1988 | Barry Sanders | Rodney Peete |
| 1989 | Anthony Thompson | 1989 | Andre Ware | Anthony Thompson |
| 1990 | Ty Detmer | 1990 | Ty Detmer | Raghib Ismail |
| 1991 | Desmond Howard | 1991 | Desmond Howard | Casey Weldon |
| 1992 | Gino Torretta | 1992 | Gino Torretta | Marshall Faulk |
| 1993 | Charlie Ward | 1993 | Charlie Ward | Heath Shuler |
| 1994 | Kerry Collins | 1994 | Rashaan Salaam | Ki-Jana Carter |
| 1995 | Eddie George | 1995 | Eddie George | Tommie Frazier |
| 1996 | Danny Wuerffel | 1996 | Danny Wuerffel | Troy Davis |
| 1997 | Peyton Manning | 1997 | Charles Woodson | Peyton Manning |
| 1998 | Ricky Williams | 1998 | Ricky Williams | Michael Bishop |
| 1999 | Ron Dayne | 1999 | Ron Dayne | Joe Hamilton |
| 2000 | Drew Brees | 2000 | Chris Weinke | Josh Heupel |
| 2001 | Ken Dorsey | 2001 | Eric Crouch | Rex Grossman |
| 2002 | Larry Johnson | 2002 | Carson Palmer | Brad Banks |
| 2003 | Eli Manning | 2003 | Jason White | Larry Fitzgerald |
| 2004 | Jason White | 2004 | Matt Leinart | Adrian Peterson |
| 2005 | Vince Young | 2005 | Reggie Bush | Vince Young |
| 2006 | Brady Quinn | 2006 | Troy Smith | Darren McFadden |
| 2007 | Tim Tebow | 2007 | Tim Tebow | Darren McFadden |
| 2008 | Tim Tebow | 2008 | ???? | ???? |
As you can see, the “player of the year” is also either the “most outstanding player” or what I like to call the “second-most outstanding player” at a rate of only 67.1%.
So, what does this mean? It means that these awards agree that the “player of the year” is also the “most outstanding player” at a rate slightly less than every other year. Therefore, my conclusion is that since this alignment has happened once already for Tim Tebow, it will not happen again.


#1 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 2:09 pm
still cannot figure out how Marshall Faulk, Peyton Manning, Ki-Jana Carter, and Rocket Ismail lost out on the Heisman.
#2 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 2:09 pm
still cannot figure out how Marshall Faulk, Peyton Manning, Ki-Jana Carter, and Rocket Ismail lost out on the Heisman.
#3 by mizerle06 on December 12, 2008 - 2:12 pm
updated the first paragraph for accuracy…
#4 by mizerle06 on December 12, 2008 - 2:12 pm
updated the first paragraph for accuracy…
#5 by gatortrey on December 12, 2008 - 2:15 pm
Bradford is your Heisman winner. Book it.
#6 by gatortrey on December 12, 2008 - 2:15 pm
Bradford is your Heisman winner. Book it.
#7 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 2:18 pm
I will never watch another Heisman award show if he is.
#8 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 2:18 pm
I will never watch another Heisman award show if he is.
#9 by gatortrey on December 12, 2008 - 2:19 pm
There is no doubt in my mind, he won.
#10 by gatortrey on December 12, 2008 - 2:19 pm
There is no doubt in my mind, he won.
#11 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 2:24 pm
that’s because this stupid award picks guys with gaudy numbers.
they have been running the same offense since Stoops has been there. anyone can do it. See: Huepel, Josh, and White, Jason
#12 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 2:24 pm
that’s because this stupid award picks guys with gaudy numbers.
they have been running the same offense since Stoops has been there. anyone can do it. See: Huepel, Josh, and White, Jason
#13 by mizerle06 on December 12, 2008 - 2:25 pm
anyone else find it odd that “player of the year” only described the “most or second-most outstanding player” 67% of the time?
#14 by mizerle06 on December 12, 2008 - 2:25 pm
anyone else find it odd that “player of the year” only described the “most or second-most outstanding player” 67% of the time?
#15 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 2:27 pm
no, because it is like everything else in college football, it just doesn’t make sense.
#16 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 2:27 pm
no, because it is like everything else in college football, it just doesn’t make sense.
#17 by mizerle06 on December 12, 2008 - 2:29 pm
I think it coincides with the sometimes erratic NFL, MLB, and NBA voting for the MVP’s.
#18 by mizerle06 on December 12, 2008 - 2:29 pm
I think it coincides with the sometimes erratic NFL, MLB, and NBA voting for the MVP’s.
#19 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 2:30 pm
the problem with the pros is that they cannot decide if it is an MVP or and MOP award.
#20 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 2:30 pm
the problem with the pros is that they cannot decide if it is an MVP or and MOP award.
#21 by knightwhosaysni on December 12, 2008 - 2:31 pm
Clownsman trophy > Heisman trophy
#22 by knightwhosaysni on December 12, 2008 - 2:31 pm
Clownsman trophy > Heisman trophy
#23 by sae on December 12, 2008 - 2:41 pm
I like that run from 92-94 of pro success for heisman weiners
#24 by sae on December 12, 2008 - 2:41 pm
I like that run from 92-94 of pro success for heisman weiners
#25 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 2:44 pm
94, PSU had the Maxwell Winner, and the Heisman runner-up, went 12-0 and still didn’t get a share of the NT.
#26 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 2:44 pm
94, PSU had the Maxwell Winner, and the Heisman runner-up, went 12-0 and still didn’t get a share of the NT.
#27 by natsfan74 on December 12, 2008 - 2:45 pm
92-94? You could push that back to ’89 and be just as accurate. In fact, since Barry Sanders won it in ’88, I would say the only other guy on here who had anything close to a successful NFL career is Eddie George. He’s no HoF guy, but no one else on here is even an All-Pro type. Ricky Williams might have had the best chance of all of these guys.
I think Troy Smight might have had a chance to be ok. He looked good in his 2 starts last year and was probably the favorite to be the starter in Baltimore this year. But, his tonsilitis that kept him out of training camp gave the job to Flacco, and I think he’s going to hold on to it for a while.
#28 by natsfan74 on December 12, 2008 - 2:45 pm
92-94? You could push that back to ’89 and be just as accurate. In fact, since Barry Sanders won it in ’88, I would say the only other guy on here who had anything close to a successful NFL career is Eddie George. He’s no HoF guy, but no one else on here is even an All-Pro type. Ricky Williams might have had the best chance of all of these guys.
I think Troy Smight might have had a chance to be ok. He looked good in his 2 starts last year and was probably the favorite to be the starter in Baltimore this year. But, his tonsilitis that kept him out of training camp gave the job to Flacco, and I think he’s going to hold on to it for a while.
#29 by natsfan74 on December 12, 2008 - 2:47 pm
Crap — there goes my tOSU bias again, and I thought I was commenting on a stupid award.
I guess Charles Woodson has been pretty… crap, Michigan = B10 bias.
That Reggie Bush guy is something special…..
#30 by natsfan74 on December 12, 2008 - 2:47 pm
Crap — there goes my tOSU bias again, and I thought I was commenting on a stupid award.
I guess Charles Woodson has been pretty… crap, Michigan = B10 bias.
That Reggie Bush guy is something special…..
#31 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 2:49 pm
Charles Woodson has had a very successful pro career. he isn’t deion sanders or ronnie lott DB great. but has been very very good.
#32 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 2:49 pm
Charles Woodson has had a very successful pro career. he isn’t deion sanders or ronnie lott DB great. but has been very very good.
#33 by mikeychx on December 12, 2008 - 2:50 pm
trey…you have to do something that transcends the gaem to win it as a sophmore….like tebow did last year….bradford will not win because he is a soph….
two in a row for tebow
oh…and good morning….two minute warning is up….put your pix in then come back here while i prepare happy hour…is pat gonna get his heisman post up?
#34 by mikeychx on December 12, 2008 - 2:50 pm
trey…you have to do something that transcends the gaem to win it as a sophmore….like tebow did last year….bradford will not win because he is a soph….
two in a row for tebow
oh…and good morning….two minute warning is up….put your pix in then come back here while i prepare happy hour…is pat gonna get his heisman post up?
#35 by Jen on December 12, 2008 - 2:53 pm
Eddie! My fave…
Who the HELL is Gino Torretta!? If you won the Heisman and have to be goggled, you probably should not have won the Heisman, right!?
#36 by Jen on December 12, 2008 - 2:53 pm
Eddie! My fave…
Who the HELL is Gino Torretta!? If you won the Heisman and have to be goggled, you probably should not have won the Heisman, right!?
#37 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 2:53 pm
shhhh, that is a secret for tomorrow.
#38 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 2:53 pm
shhhh, that is a secret for tomorrow.
#39 by mizerle06 on December 12, 2008 - 2:53 pm
bradford wins tomorrow. the precedent has been set for a sophomore to be considered and bradford had gaudy #’s…therefore, he’s gonna win.
#40 by mizerle06 on December 12, 2008 - 2:53 pm
bradford wins tomorrow. the precedent has been set for a sophomore to be considered and bradford had gaudy #’s…therefore, he’s gonna win.
#41 by Jen on December 12, 2008 - 2:54 pm
^that’d be googled, not “goggled”-unless he’s ugly too.
#42 by Jen on December 12, 2008 - 2:54 pm
^that’d be googled, not “goggled”-unless he’s ugly too.
#43 by mizerle06 on December 12, 2008 - 2:54 pm
sorry, jen. I originall had the school alongside the players but deleted it.
#44 by mizerle06 on December 12, 2008 - 2:54 pm
sorry, jen. I originall had the school alongside the players but deleted it.
#45 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 2:57 pm
Jen-he is the one that is used as an example when there are no real outstanding players. just give it to the best QB that year.
#46 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 2:57 pm
Jen-he is the one that is used as an example when there are no real outstanding players. just give it to the best QB that year.
#47 by mikeychx on December 12, 2008 - 2:57 pm
tebows gaudy numbers > bradfords big numbers
he would have to exceed tebow to win…which he didnt….i have looso arguments that trup here but i dont wanna give away the patphish post
#48 by mikeychx on December 12, 2008 - 2:57 pm
tebows gaudy numbers > bradfords big numbers
he would have to exceed tebow to win…which he didnt….i have looso arguments that trup here but i dont wanna give away the patphish post
#49 by sae on December 12, 2008 - 3:14 pm
natsfan, i tend to give Desmond a pass since he was our SB MVP
#50 by sae on December 12, 2008 - 3:14 pm
natsfan, i tend to give Desmond a pass since he was our SB MVP
#51 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 3:23 pm
Desmond was a great kick returner in the NFL. Just sucked as a WR.
#52 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 3:23 pm
Desmond was a great kick returner in the NFL. Just sucked as a WR.
#53 by gatortrey on December 12, 2008 - 3:25 pm
Who won the S&F Heisman?
#54 by gatortrey on December 12, 2008 - 3:25 pm
Who won the S&F Heisman?
#55 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 3:25 pm
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
#56 by sparty on December 12, 2008 - 3:25 pm
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
#57 by sae on December 12, 2008 - 3:33 pm
and I think Salaam was Ricky Williams’s idol
#58 by sae on December 12, 2008 - 3:33 pm
and I think Salaam was Ricky Williams’s idol
#59 by mikeychx on December 12, 2008 - 4:40 pm
Happy Hour is Up Finally
#60 by mikeychx on December 12, 2008 - 4:40 pm
Happy Hour is Up Finally
#61 by fetch on December 12, 2008 - 5:29 pm
Nice post mize
#62 by fetch on December 12, 2008 - 5:29 pm
Nice post mize
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#63 by I have no name on December 13, 2008 - 6:13 pm
The Downtown Athletic Club no longer exists. The Heisman is now awarded in the Nokia Theatre in Times Square.
#64 by I have no name on December 13, 2008 - 6:13 pm
The Downtown Athletic Club no longer exists. The Heisman is now awarded in the Nokia Theatre in Times Square.
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